jos veci LOL......pravis se da znas vise cak i od samog Hire o ovom. Da imas najvise minutaze stoji, da si doveo hiru u Srbiju isto stoji....ali da nestojis otvoren za bilo sta osim neke svoje vizije...i to stoji.!

uopste nemam namjeru stobom raspravljati, i zato zatvaram ovaj svoj post rjecima:
radi kako mislis da je najbolje a i ja cu. Pozdrav i uzdravlje.

Pa zasto ne pokusas potisnuti ?

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nikadkraja
sri ruj 30, 2009 6:04 pm Tema: [No title]

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Ej! Moji prijatelji su reikisti, i ja sam htio bit ali nisam igrom slučaja..
Htio bi ti skrenut pozornost na jednu stvar: Reikisti umiru.
Nije panika, ali da znaš, nešto sa obukom reikija ne valja! Zlatko Dumančić kaže da većina njegovih pacijenata koji su umrli jer im se nemože pomoć bili su reiki majstori zadnjeg stupnja i to svi barem 3 godine na najvišem nivou. (do 10g)

E sad.. moja pretpostavka je da je reiki novonastala metoda te da se u njemu ne uvježbava ukorjenjivanje energije. Sve stare metode rada s energijom imaju ovu ili onu formu ukorjenjivanja, tai chi, kung fu, bagua, shaolin monkovi, zen, kharamupanatra, i yoga. Samo reiki ne.

Ukorjenjivanje je sprovođenje viška energije u tlo, uzemljenje. Osim u quigongu, tamo se energija tijela spaja s tlom u svrhu crpljenja chi-ja zemlje. tla.

E sad, dobro je da vježbaš solarnu yogu, i bilo bi ti mudro svaki dan hodati bosa kako HRM preporučuje, jer se time u 1 godini postiže trajno spajanje s tlom, i više ne moraš bit bosa ni gledat u sunce, energija protiče kroz tebe i ovako i onako..

Sad, imam blagu nedoumicu: dali ti je bolje počet odma šetat bosa ili tek kad dođeš do 44 Min? ja bi rekao odmah jer je inicijacija reikija vrlo snažna i imaš puno energije. Višak energije uzrokuje probleme sa mozgom, a Zlatko Dumančić to nije mogao riješiti jer on ne ukorjenjuje tvoj energetski sustav to je nemoguće. On može ili izvući loš chi ili ti dati dobar chi. nemože te ukorijeniti, to moraš sama..

HRM navodi da se hoda bos jer se tako stimuliraju žlijezde, ali to je samo dijelom točno. To također spaja tijelo sa zemljom na energetskom nivou!

Kad u quigongu stoje i vježbaju ukorjenjivanje, ljudi moraju blago zgrčit nožne prste da odterete sredinu tabana između jastučića, točku koja provodi chi gore-dolje. hodom u tenisicama se ta točka blokira jer gornji dio cipele stišće svod stopala prema dolje. Kad malo zgrčiš prste, težište ti pređe na vanjski rub tabana iodtereti tu točku. Eto, htio sam pomoći.. ukazao sam ti na očiti problem, sad radi stim što znaš..




Eo ovako moj prijatelju jogiju,
svi ljudi "umiru" pa i reikisti, taj trenutak dođe kad tad, bez obzira na tehiku samopomoći kojom se baviš. S mojom obukom je sve u redu.
Gledala sam jedan dokumentarac Z. Dumančića i znam da on ne simpatizira reikiste što on i može ako hoće. Naime, moja obuka reikija meni preporučuje da nemam mišljenje o tehnikama kojima se ne bavim jer ih samim time i ne poznajem (u to je uključena i zapadna medicina). A ako sam neke prakticirala, pa mi se nisu dale rezultate koje očekujem, to znači da ne trebam očekivati, a ne da ta tehnika nije dobra. To je jednostavno moja percepcija iste kao što je mišljenje Z.Dumančića o reikiju njegova percepcija ili njegova istina koja nije nužno moja ili tvoja istina.
Druga preporuka reikija jest ta da se ljude ne savjetuje šta trebaju činiti (što Z.Dumančić radi) jer postoji uzročno-posljedična veza. Laički rečeno: "e kad si tako pametan za druge, eve tebi situacija (ili kako ljudi kažu problem) pa se ti druže snađi. Pod ovim podrazumijevam da život ne traje bukvalno, kako se danas vjeruje, od rođenja do smrti.
Još jedna preporuka u reikiju je ta da ako smatraš da je netko "teško bolestan" tada ga ne uznemiravaš sa svojim dijagnozama, a sigurno nećeš nekome reći da će umrijeti.
Što se tiče nekih znanstvenih činjenica vezanih za reiki, dosta sam čitala, proučavala fiziku, kvantnu fiziku i svašta nešta ubrzo nakon inicijacije jer sam, naravno, bila znatiželjna. No, danas me ti odgovori više ne zanimaju, objašnjenja mi nisu potrebna kad vidim da je SVE U REDU, KAKO TREBA BITI. Gledam na to kao da čovjek ne želi koristiti npr. frižider dok ne shvati kako funkcionira, pa dok shvati mlijeko se pokvari ili nikad ne shvati. Zato ga, čovječe, uključi, šta te briga kako radi.
Nadalje, nema loše i dobre energije. Ako je netko "bolestan" (to je valjda loša energija) to znači da te tijelo upozorava da promijeniš način života, da prihvatiš svaku situaciju koja ti se dogodi, da se mijenjaš, da spoznaješ sebe i oko sebe, znači učiš, pa onda to i nije loše. Svaka "loša" stvar u životu te nečem nauči pa kako onda to može biti loše?
No, dosta o reikiju. Držim da je ovo forum o solarnoj jogi pa nek tako i ostane.
Pozdrav

http://sungazing.vpinf.com/index.html
Kome se da čitati malo drugačiji pogled na sungazing.
Evo dio o HRM-u.
From mid-2003 onward, as Hira Manek spent a good part of each year touring the US and Canada while delivering lectures proselytizing the practice of sungazing, often staying at the homes of local students and disciples, stories started dogging Hira Manek in his wake, with some persons who had hosted him or sponsored his lectures claiming that they had caught him eating food on the sly, often late at night. Hira steadfastly denied all these claims. The volume and frequency of such tales increased steadily, and in fact, when one Texan supporter who had hosted him in 2004 reported also having caught Hira eating (this time at an Indian buffet restaurant), Hira and some of his close supporters not only denied the allegations as fabrications, but they engaged in what -- from my vantage point and that of other observers -- amounted to an attempt at character assassination on the man who had made the claims. In fact, years later, in early 2007, after some scandals had long since broken regarding Hira and his long-denied eating binges, one of his East Coast female disciples who had been instrumental in trying to impugn the reputation of the Texas man who had reported catching Hira binging on food, called me to tell me that she had left his inner circle and that she felt very remorseful about the role she had played in attempting to defend Hira Manek.

At the same time that Manek was busily denying that he was clandestinely eating solid food, he was also investing considerable energy in attacking another Indian-born sungazing guru, Sunyogi Umasankar, who had been claiming that he (Umasankar, that is) had been inedian (i.e., not eating) for long periods of time; Hira Manek claimed that it was a well known fact that Umasankar ate food regularly and that Umasankar was therefore a fraud. Manek claimed to be quite infuriated by this alleged deception on Umasankar's part.

itd., itd., da ne kopiram sada sve.

Ej, luciferu (u prevodu tvog nicka) mani se.... ovo su takve gluposti da sam se zacelio od smejanja sto verujem da ce i drugi to da urade.... a to je ono onaj je rekao da je Hira uradio to i to, ja sma cuo od onog sto je cuo od ovog sto mi je rekao da je on to rekao itd. nema veze sa vezom a jos vise sto nema NIKAKVIH dokaza ovih tvrdjnji!!!

Hira NIKAD nije nista rekao nesto negativno o bilo kome pa ni o Sunkaru... stvarno si jadan ako verujes na ovo rekla - kazala sto NISTA ne dokazuje!!!

Probaj pročitati cijeli link. Ne samo isječak.
Nije da tvrdim da je Vinny Pinto na ispravnom putu, ali dobro je vidjeti i drugačiji pogled na SG. Barem onima koji žele razmišljati, a ne pretvoriti ovo u ortodoksnu religiju.
Ako ništa drugo navedeni su primjeri i linkovi drugih sungazera i drevnih kultura koji su SG proučavali i koristili ne samo na sebi davno prije HRM-a.

Obzirom da si tvrđi orah zagrizao u svoje stavove evo nastavak o HRM-u.

By early 2005, tales of clandestine eating binges continued to plague Hira Manek and he and his disciples continued to deny these stories vehemently, insisting that Manek had abstained fully from eating all solid food for 10 years. Indeed, by this time, Manek had become somewhat of a joke among insiders in the sungazing world, both for his relentless missionary-like proselytizing of the practice of sungazing and for the trail of rumors that followed him about his imputed eating binges; there were many jokes afloat at the time in the sungazing world in this regard about Manek and Indian buffet restaurants. Finally, in July 2005, while Hira Manek was delivering a series of lectures on sungazing in San Francisco, a well-known professional filmmaker (who had been making a documentary film on sungazing for several years) and his crew followed Hira Manek into an Indian buffet restaurant in San Francisco and filmed him binging on food. When confronted on camera, Manek tried to deny that he had been eating and offered a number of astounding prevarications in an attempt to explain his predicament. He continued to deny eating food clandestinely for a short while longer, as even more reports began to surface of his having been caught eating surreptitiously. Ultimately, within a few weeks of the San Francisco debacle, Manek issued several statements admitting that he had been clandestinely eating for at least a year (many believe that it was far longer than that, given the volume of stories which followed him in his travels) and claiming that he had lied only to protect his cherished cause of sungazing, and maintaining that he had not lied for personal reasons. As of September 2007, Hira Manek and his followers have once again returned to the not-eating theme, claiming that he has not eaten solid food in over one year.

Incidentally, in addition to the mystery and ambiguity which has attended Hira Manek's claims of having been inedian (at least in terms of abstaining from solid food) for many years and his equally-dubious claim of having been studied by NASA scientists, a new area of ambiguity has emerged regarding Manek, as follows: In the late 1990s and the early 2000s, media reports uniformly referenced Manek as being a retired engineer who had been a wealthy owner of an industrial factory until he had reportedly turned over his factory and his wealth to his employees and others so that he could start to promote sungazing around the world. In fact, when I met Hira Manek in October 2005 in Virginia, this is the exact tale which he related to me at that time about his earlier life in India. However, I note that starting in the year 2006, media articles about Manek and press releases from his camp suddenly began to refer to him only as a retired spice trader from India. In fact, I have twice received calls since mid-2006 from close disciples of Manek (who were largely trying to urge me to aid them in promoting Hira Manek's lectures...) who told me that he was, to their knowledge, never a degreed engineer nor an industrialist in India, and that rather, he had been a spice trader.

I was hardly surprised when the well-documented stories started to emerge in July 2005 about Hira Manek's clandestine eating; the rumors had been too plentiful and too substantial -- and too-well corroborated -- for too long for anyone who knew Manek to really believe that he did not eat solid food at least occasionally. In the aftermath of Manek's exposure as a fraud, a number of persons in the sungazing world expressed shock and dismay at his deception, while I continued to point out that the larger and more important problem, from my point of view, was that Manek was a fundamentalist and a fanatic (can you tell that I tend to be allergic to both?) and that he was continuing to proselytize sungazing, making all kinds of grossly untrue claims about its safety (claiming that it was a safe practice for everyone) and for its purported benefits, to the extent that sungazing had become the latest fad in many segments of the New Age world and the yoga world in Western countries. Indeed, I pointed out at the time that it is such fanaticism and fundamentalism which leads to desperate acts such as the deception and denial in which Hira Manek had engaged for years.

Daj prevedi ove članke ako ih več stavljaš! Još mi samo fali da se i na forumima počme govorit engleski! Koja smo mi jadna regija! Probaj ovo napravit u Italiji ili Francuskoj.